How would you feel?

Let's take the survey question provided into further detail:
"You're on a date with someone and while on the date he points out other men he thinks are hot right in front of you. Does that bother you?"

I would be turned off. Some people assume that I would be insecure, however, the reason why I would feel disappointed is because of his lack of manners or etiquette to follow the understanding that there is a time and a place for everything.

If I was dating a guy for a few years and he points out a hot man, I would not be turned off because our relationship has developed trust. Pointing out a hot man on the first series of dates is rude and shows his true nature, which is always best to see as soon as you can to avoid wasting your time, money and energy.

How about you? How would you feel?


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  • Rjzip and barney290, your conclusions are based on not seeing the big picture. This is about first dates, about a reaction one has to a rude comment on a first date, the first impression one makes on a first date, the ability to treat your possible bf with respect on a first date, the act of etiquette on a first date, the power to hold true to your gut feeling on a first date. This isn't about compromise and LTRs. This is about a simple scenario. That is it.

    OCalig, your response it's great. I appreciate it.
    nycbear 10/05/2014 04:21 AM
  • Personally, I think a lot of the problem is with how the question is worded... There's an art to crafting poll questions, right? I mean as I type this, the poll question in the next frame asks about hairy backs and there are only two options for answers... Where's the "it depends" option?

    In response to the intent of the original question, I say it depends...

    I do agree with the idea that you treat your date with respect... Honestly, tho, even if the guy I was dating was an 8 and a smokin hot 12 passed by us, who am I to say that I wouldn't look? If it took me by surprise, then I might involuntarily gasp or say "Wow"

    Do I define that proverbial scenario as disrespectful? No... As mentioned, we're guys, we notice... At different levels of awareness, perhaps, but we notice... What *would* be disrespectful is if I devote the my attention for the rest of the evening toward the hot 12 across the room...

    Some people just process externally (verbally)... Maybe he's one of those guys... Me? I tend to keep it in... If by chance I exclaim involuntarily and I see that my date was offended, I might apologize and maybe cover it up a little by saying I admire the other guy's shirt... Play by ear...

    Let's take the other proverbial scenario... Me and BF have been dating for a while now... Years, months... Take your pic... I don't think time is the material issue here as the premise is trust... Point is trust isn't a one-way thing... It's dished out by one party, sure, but has to be validated by the other...

    So BF and I have been dating a while... He points out someone hot... Okay... That won't bug me... Have him point out a hot man on our weekly date for the next four dates, that's different... I won't immediately jump to the conclusion of "he's stepping out on me" without analyzing other factors... Context... Time frame... Whatever... But I def could see a possible scenario of declining trust with the pointing out...

    (on a related note?) I don't really like using the term compromise when it comes to relationships... As a trained accountant, I'm more inclined to use a word like reconcile... Difference being compromise lends to issues of giving up something in order to move forward while reconcile goes more toward agree to disagree... Now as to what to agree or disagree with is another thing... Like the divorce paperwork, some differences are just irreconcilable...

    Just my $0.02
    OCalig 10/03/2014 10:24 PM
  • barney290 . . . . y e a h . . . sigh . . .
    rjzip 10/03/2014 08:00 PM
  • RJZIP let it go some people just don't see the forest for the trees.
    barney290 10/02/2014 06:24 AM
  • Rjzip: What he wrote is the same as what I wrote: follow your gut instinct, because in the end if you feel something is wrong, like ronboy did, it will end up begging a break- up.

    So I do not need to re-read it. I suggest you do to see the bigger picture in how he is agrees.
    nycbear 10/01/2014 03:53 PM
  • nycbear, I humbly suggest that you re-read Ronboy's comment. Among other things he wrote are these words:

    ". . . on the first date it's a bit much to expect your partner to know how you feel about those matters. That's what the point of dating is. To find those things you have in common,those things you don't,what's negotiable and what isn't. Just my opinion."

    He also said,"Who decides what the appropriate time and place is for anything? You? Actually,if you're on a first date you get to decide what the appropriate behavior is for YOU. You can certainly have expectations about how your date behaves, but to judge them by the standards you set for yourself without them knowing what your standards are yet, is just setting yourself up for disappointment."
    rjzip 10/01/2014 01:38 PM
  • To: rjzip
    How can you agree with Ronboy when he is basically agreeing with what I wrote? I wrote that I would not appreciate a man's rude behavior and I therefore would not continue on the date. Whether the behavior is rude or not a match or like Ronboy, you feel eventhough he is hot, he is going to be a problem, it doesn't matter, you feel that there is something not right from the beginning and you do not need to be overly sensitive to trust your gut.

    Ronboy wrote that he knew the man was overtly sexual yet he decided to carry on with the date and in the end, it didn't work out.

    Bottom line is that the feeling that a spark is not felt between two people is sensed from the beginning regardless of a sexual or animalistic lust that might be bringing your crotch.

    And rjzip, before you come to conclusions about a person, you need to know more information. I am not too sensitive, I know the man is rude and I am not going to train a guy how to act. It was not a match and the example I shared was one of many that night. I bit my tongue on his slightly anti-Semite comments and lack of manners. What it came down to is that he was not a man I would introduce to my family which is very important.

    And I disagree on how you feel a man should be corrected. A date is when you get the chance to see a man in his behavior and you either like him or you don't. If you want to spend time correcting a guy in order how to act for you, please go ahead if you are into that. I am not. A man is who he is and you either like him or you don't.

    The relationship aspect is not as easy as you think it is. I can talk till i am blue in the face to a man I really love but he cares less and vice versa. It depends on the man.

    Rjzip, you are correct about how relationships need time and do require communication, that I have learned over years of long developed relationships however this doesn't apply to first dates. First dates are supposed to fun, and exciting and interesting and makes you feel wanted and loved and not obligated to settle or feel like you need to make compromised due to a man's rude behavior.

    Any who, I appreciate all responses whether we agree or not, I just want to say thank you to everyone for being civil. These blogs can sometimes get intense, but guys on this site are very kind. So thanks again.
    nycbear 09/30/2014 09:29 PM
  • I totally agree with Ronboy!

    Nycbear, you seem overly sensitive and too fast to judge. People (guys) are NEVER perfect and NO MAN will ever measure up to your expectations if you don't share them and correct behavior that you find unacceptable. If someone exhibits bad manners, they need correcting, not shunning.

    Your dinner date may have the healthy expectation that you would be assertive and speak your mind if you disagree with something. That way it can be aired and compromised on or avoided, etc. If you were not done with the bread during that dinner date, all you needed to do was say so. THEN he would have the chance to apologize and show what a wonderful man he really is. He might then say, "Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were done with the bread too." He may even go on to say, "I sometimes make the mistake of assuming things, so please correct me if you find me doing that with you."

    Relationships are NOT always pleasant. They take a lot of work at times. If you got serious about one of the dates you mentioned, there would come a time where you disagree on something FAR more important such as what friend or group of friends to hang out with, etc. You need to talk it out. You may need to compromise. You may need to forgive. You may need to change. All of these are difficult things to face. It would be much easier to just shun your guy simply because you don't agree and walk out, but life will be lonely of you do.
    rjzip 09/30/2014 04:12 PM
  • Congratulations Ronboy you hit the nail right on the head!!!!
    barney290 09/30/2014 05:17 AM
  • Who decides the appropriate time and place for anything? The answer is YOU.
    I don't set up standards for myself in minute detail. I have expectations that fall into the category of decent behavior.
    For example, I had a first date, and the man was older. During dinner, the waiter came by and asked if we were finished with the bread basket. Without asking me, my date picked up the basket and said, "We are done" as if he is speaking for both of us after we discussed and concluded that we no longer want the bread. Long story short, I was turned off because he was rude and belittling. I followed my gut instinct and went for a brief stroll afterwards and decided that it wasn't a match.

    Is this too harsh? Doesn't matter. I am followed my gut instincts and decided that since I will always have that negative thought attached to him, I rather just wait to see what else this world has to offer.

    So, if you know that something is not right or you feel that "this guy is fucking hot and I want to bang him like there is no tomorrow, but at the same time I feel he is not a match", well, please follow the later, follow your gut instinct and spare yourself the wasted energy.
    nycbear 09/30/2014 02:45 AM
  • Sorry,I don't agree with your premise. Who decides what the appropriate time and place is for anything? You? Actually,if you're on a first date you get to decide what the appropriate behavior is for you. You can certainly have expectations about how your date behaves but to judge them by the standards you set for yourself without them knowing what your standards are yet,is just setting yourself up for disappointment. I dated someone who was way more outspoken and overtly sexual than I was. I actually found it to be a turn on at first and we continued to date. After a while, I realized for him to continue this behavior publicly made me uncomfortable and told him so. In reality,he wasn't obligated to change his behavior for me and could have told me I knew how he behaved before we became a couple,therefore it was my issue. But,he did change as a demonstration for me that my wishes were important to him. But on the first date it's a bit much to expect your partner to know how you feel about those matters. That's what the point of dating is. To find those things you have in common,those things you don't,what's negotiable and what isn't. Just my opinion.
    RocketJay 09/29/2014 05:09 PM
  • gotta love these polls, as if I had people telling me they felt like I lollipopped their brain.. that'`s how those polls make me feel at times *drool*
    Vook 09/29/2014 07:47 AM
  • maybe that guy's just testing and/or tempting you.. taking shit personal is a way to flip and go on a spree at the end of the day... also: that's the best way to find out if you want all your "practicals" monogamously .. cos if that's not the case: the more the merrier.. why get jelly, just fuck everyone involved (and even you would say .. this guy is being prefered,.. that other in the corner.. nah.. only if I have to) - so that's the way stuff goes.. maybe he wants your attention again and that's why he -whorlingly- points at ... others! ...:groucho: (or he wants you to struggle with / for him or at least take more "positioning" to attain and conquer ..lol, as if we all were like that .. c'mon - ain't it an "open market" after all)

    *uhm. edit.. since I only went ..con.. and not "pro" on being loyal and all that stuff you do when you are personal and intimate with someone

    it's like some people behaving totally different when there's company as compared to being with them on your own..

    soooo:

    the much greater "trust issue" I'd have is if the guy you wanna be with plotted against you, altogether with the 3rd guy involved.. if they stepped on you.. your "whatevers", and you just felt exploited.. used.. or fooled ..

    and not even that would be the worst I'd say.. a great trust breaking isse would be if your partner was brainless (or name it what he lacks, me hearties :> ... yes my ancestors did yarr :P lol) uhm.. let's say love-less enough to adapt bad things from the outside and brings them in.. whether that'`s biting til you bleed or just a plain STD ... THAT's a point which makes 1on1s difficult perhaps...

    if he looks over at least I know he got some balls and a satellite :P if he asks that guy he sees if he had a partner then I know my guy's even got manners.. (and hopefully won't become a rapist "learning from the guy we just met :P") and if we then can combine as 2 couples.. why not :D
    Vook 09/29/2014 07:44 AM
  • >>Looks like the "It wouldn't bother me. I'd see him again" are the feeling most guys have.<<

    You could spin it the other way, out of 1423 respondents (so far)
    835 said they would be offended or worse while 588 said they wouldnt

    Percentagewise thats:
    59% saying they'd be offended
    41% said they wouldnt.

    ;)
    Marc 09/29/2014 07:18 AM
  • Marc, you expressed exactly how i feel. Why waste time with rude shady people.
    nycbear 09/28/2014 07:54 PM
  • Most guys on this site, but not most guys in general, in terms of outside of this website.
    nycbear 09/28/2014 07:51 PM
  • Pointing out cars and shoes are objects, not people. It is rude to point out a guy while you are on a first date and that is a fact. It has nothing to do with insecurity, it has to do with manners and treating others with respect. I would find the man to be shady. Trust me, I have actually been on dates with men who are staring and pointing out others guys. There was zero attraction when it occurred mainly because it was rude. If he pointed out shoes, than cool let's talk about shoes, or cars since they are objects.
    nycbear 09/28/2014 07:20 PM
  • I guess it depends on the point of the date. If its just a quick NSA hookup then I dont care who he likes better than me, its about everyone getting what they want and its nothing serious.

    But if someone asked me out (I rarely make the first move) and says he is looking for a serious relationship someday then I expect a higher quality experience than a trick.

    If someone did that to me I would think:
    "OK... we just met and you're already telling me that you are looking past me to that other guy over there who turns you on? Why are you telling me this? How shallow and tacky to ask me out to tell me the other men you find more attractive than me when we JUST met? Is this supposed to make me like you more?
    Unless of course they realize on the date that they're just not that into me and want me to leave. In that case task accomplished, I'm mentally checked out now.

    I coulda been home on my comfy sofa watching Big Bang Theory but instead some %@$!# asked me out under false pretenses and now I'm stuck on a date with someone who is telling me that he isn't into me and makes me feel ugly. Greeeeeat, lol
    Marc 09/28/2014 07:15 PM
  • Nah. I do the same thing actually but I go home with the guy that I am on the date with. We're men, we stare, and drool and can do this without cheating if we're faithful to our men.
    Guitar_player92 09/28/2014 09:20 AM
  • If we are so insecure to be bothered by a remark like this then don't go out on dates. If I am with someone and I see a nice car and comment on it does that mean I don't like his car or don't want to be in it? If I see a nice pair of shoes on someone I can't comment on them because the guy may think I don't like the way he dresses? Please!!!!!! Let's get some sanity to all of this. You are on a date and if you can't express simple things like this how are you suppose to get to know someone? Are we so insecure of ourselves that we would take all or any of this personal. Stop reading thoughts into others minds and just as Aaron Rodgers quoted this week " R E L A X ".
    barney290 09/28/2014 04:37 AM
  • I dunno.. Considering the guy is on a date with ME by choice (I'd hope), I don't see why he shouldn't express himself if he found someone attractive. I find guys attractive, and I don't have a problem remarking about it. Now, what would be disrespectful was if he compares that other guy to me, or if he says he'd rather be on a date with him than me. Or maybe if my date went ahead and actually flirted with the stranger, then I'd feel offended. Harmless voyeurism and appreciation don't bother me, personally, but I'm weird that way.
    Finding someone sexy and actually flirting with them/making a move are two totally different things, I feel.
    aliencubby 09/28/2014 02:58 AM
  • Marc said it perfectly! couldnt agree more with him. IF you think the other guy is " hot " then go over there and leave me alone!
    carymannc 09/27/2014 10:28 PM
  • The beach eyeing scenario is different since your date was honest by stating that a guy was eying him regardless of his looks. I think the eyeing factor can give some forgiveness and you handled the scenario very well; I would have done the same thing you did since the date was being honest about the whole thing, so go ahead give the guy a smile and we can move on.

    The survey was more about guys pointing out hot men, for instance, imagine if you are on a first date and during dinner
    a guy walks in and your date says, "wow that man is hot."
    nycbear 09/27/2014 09:31 PM
  • I agree, I think it's disrespectful to the person you're with and shows a lack of manners.
    I feel like you're telling me that you want to be with someone else but you're "stuck" with me. If you're on a date with me and tell me you like HIM better, then go say hi to HIM and let me go so I'll be on my way.
    Marc 09/27/2014 07:54 PM